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	<pubDate>Fri, 30 Jul 2010 00:43:23 +0000</pubDate>
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		<title>Comment on In a CDN&#8217;d world, OpenDNS is the enemy! by Sajal Kayan &#187; ATTN Big Media: Web page speed matters!</title>
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		<dc:creator>Sajal Kayan &#187; ATTN Big Media: Web page speed matters!</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 04 Jul 2010 15:00:01 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] single post page on my [...]</description>
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		<title>Comment on Messing with ROR by Sajal Kayan &#187; I &#60;3 Django</title>
		<link>http://www.sajalkayan.com/messing-with-ror.html#comment-1174</link>
		<dc:creator>Sajal Kayan &#187; I &#60;3 Django</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 30 Jun 2010 14:43:14 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] couple of months ago I wrote about how I had finally chosen Ruby on Rails over Django. Well&#8230; at the time of writing I hadnt taken a serious look at Django. Soon after making the [...]</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] couple of months ago I wrote about how I had finally chosen Ruby on Rails over Django. Well&#8230; at the time of writing I hadnt taken a serious look at Django. Soon after making the [...]</p>
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		<title>Comment on In a CDN&#8217;d world, OpenDNS is the enemy! by Sajal Kayan</title>
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		<dc:creator>Sajal Kayan</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 14 Jun 2010 13:25:25 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>@Gerardo : It seems like http://www.akamai.com/html/technology/products/personalization.html does not use DNS for detecting the information under "What We Know About You". They r simply using the IP of the requester to determine that. Similar to sites such as http://www.ipaddresslocation.org/</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>@Gerardo : It seems like <a href="http://www.akamai.com/html/technology/products/personalization.html" rel="nofollow">http://www.akamai.com/html/technology/products/personalization.html</a> does not use DNS for detecting the information under &#8220;What We Know About You&#8221;. They r simply using the IP of the requester to determine that. Similar to sites such as <a href="http://www.ipaddresslocation.org/" rel="nofollow">http://www.ipaddresslocation.org/</a></p>
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		<title>Comment on In a CDN&#8217;d world, OpenDNS is the enemy! by Gerardo Lisboa</title>
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		<dc:creator>Gerardo Lisboa</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 14 Jun 2010 13:16:18 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Are the results from http://www.akamai.com/html/technology/products/personalization.html consistent with your problem?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Are the results from <a href="http://www.akamai.com/html/technology/products/personalization.html" rel="nofollow">http://www.akamai.com/html/technology/products/personalization.html</a> consistent with your problem?</p>
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		<title>Comment on thaindian.com now has sitelinks on google SERPs by Pandyan</title>
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		<dc:creator>Pandyan</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 11 Jun 2010 22:41:45 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Hi Sajal

I notice that inspite of good traffic, you are keeping the User Interface simple. Any specific reason?</description>
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<p>I notice that inspite of good traffic, you are keeping the User Interface simple. Any specific reason?</p>
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		<title>Comment on In a CDN&#8217;d world, OpenDNS is the enemy! by TheInnerLayer &#8212; where SL&#8217;ers come to rant &#187; Blog Archive &#187; DNS from All Angles</title>
		<link>http://www.sajalkayan.com/in-a-cdnd-world-opendns-is-the-enemy.html#comment-1143</link>
		<dc:creator>TheInnerLayer &#8212; where SL&#8217;ers come to rant &#187; Blog Archive &#187; DNS from All Angles</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 09 Jun 2010 16:38:02 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] but the public DNS providers are confusing CDN location-based algorithms. The article is here: http://www.sajalkayan.com/in-a-cdnd-world-opendns-is-the-enemy.html and I recommend strongly that both content providers and content consumers both read [...]</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] but the public DNS providers are confusing CDN location-based algorithms. The article is here: <a href="http://www.sajalkayan.com/in-a-cdnd-world-opendns-is-the-enemy.html" rel="nofollow">http://www.sajalkayan.com/in-a-cdnd-world-opendns-is-the-enemy.html</a> and I recommend strongly that both content providers and content consumers both read [...]</p>
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		<title>Comment on truewifi.net == big FAIL for usability by duşakabin</title>
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		<dc:creator>duşakabin</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 06 Jun 2010 01:00:02 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>lol
so they expect all foreigners to recognize the word</description>
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so they expect all foreigners to recognize the word</p>
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		<title>Comment on In a CDN&#8217;d world, OpenDNS is the enemy! by Gary</title>
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		<dc:creator>Gary</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 31 May 2010 01:00:33 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Tom wrote:

&#62; How do your tests hold up with this DNS extension implemented?

Uh, you tell us once you get it approved and rolled out to BIND and all the other name servers in use.

-Gary</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Tom wrote:</p>
<p>&gt; How do your tests hold up with this DNS extension implemented?</p>
<p>Uh, you tell us once you get it approved and rolled out to BIND and all the other name servers in use.</p>
<p>-Gary</p>
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		<title>Comment on In a CDN&#8217;d world, OpenDNS is the enemy! by Sajal Kayan</title>
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		<dc:creator>Sajal Kayan</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 30 May 2010 15:21:20 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>@owen : Nice point if you dont visit large websites, don't mind having no CSS, Javascripts, Images on most sites.

@Jason : Agree PING is not the optimal test, but it gives a fairly accurate indication of distance. When I have time I will set up a dummy file on both CDNs tested and compare time to download those files. Any objections to that?

@Tom Limoncelli: Didn't know about that extension. Once/if that is implemented, my blogpost would become irrelevant.

@Remco : Thanks for your test data, ill include it in my tables soon. could you report ping timing to 92.122.217.122 ? it seems to be missing.

@Vincent : I have no knowledge about running Python on Windows. dnspython can be obtained from http://www.dnspython.org/ . I think you need to also replace "ping -c 5 -q " with "ping -n 5 " in the script. The arguments for ping in Windows is different than Linux. Unfortunately I have nowhere to test the script with Windows.

@Michael : I'd welcome test data from a Canada

@Olivier Mignault : Thanks for accusing me of skewing the data. Please see the table Internap data for "Softlayer (US-East Coast)" and Akamai data for "EC2 (US-East Coast)" and "EC2 (Europe)" gave better ping times for non local DNS and i have shown it as it is. I ran the script and posted whatever I got. Non Local resolvers gave better results than local only by few milliseconds and the result IPs were in the same range. The better ping times were a mere coincidence. See only the non-datacenter locations (Singapore, Sweden, India and Thailand) to notice the difference. Those are purely home connections.

@Nick : Cool, in fact after I posted I noticed few others noticed similar thing some as far back in 2008. - http://blog.goolamabbas.org/2008/02/24/impact-of-opendns-on-cdn-services-particularly-when-used-in-asia/

@Marco van den Berg : All clients need to be in the same network as the central in-house DNS resolver to get the optimal results...

@Richard : Thanks, you could post the results somewhere and Ill link to it from my tables, or if you don't want to do that, I can post it on my blog too. Your results would be highly appreciated. you can contact me at sajal at thaindian dot com

@Angsuman Chakraborty: Agreed!

@Chris: The bandwidth is a problem in Asia (esp Thailand) with intercontinental links running at its saturation point. I understand that you block advertising (viewing free stuff while wasting the websites bandwidth and resources and not allowing them to monetize), but do you also block css, javascripts, flash, videos and images? These are also usually CDN'd. Without loading the stylesheet usually the page doesn't start rendering.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>@owen : Nice point if you dont visit large websites, don&#8217;t mind having no CSS, Javascripts, Images on most sites.</p>
<p>@Jason : Agree PING is not the optimal test, but it gives a fairly accurate indication of distance. When I have time I will set up a dummy file on both CDNs tested and compare time to download those files. Any objections to that?</p>
<p>@Tom Limoncelli: Didn&#8217;t know about that extension. Once/if that is implemented, my blogpost would become irrelevant.</p>
<p>@Remco : Thanks for your test data, ill include it in my tables soon. could you report ping timing to 92.122.217.122 ? it seems to be missing.</p>
<p>@Vincent : I have no knowledge about running Python on Windows. dnspython can be obtained from <a href="http://www.dnspython.org/" rel="nofollow">http://www.dnspython.org/</a> . I think you need to also replace &#8220;ping -c 5 -q &#8221; with &#8220;ping -n 5 &#8221; in the script. The arguments for ping in Windows is different than Linux. Unfortunately I have nowhere to test the script with Windows.</p>
<p>@Michael : I&#8217;d welcome test data from a Canada</p>
<p>@Olivier Mignault : Thanks for accusing me of skewing the data. Please see the table Internap data for &#8220;Softlayer (US-East Coast)&#8221; and Akamai data for &#8220;EC2 (US-East Coast)&#8221; and &#8220;EC2 (Europe)&#8221; gave better ping times for non local DNS and i have shown it as it is. I ran the script and posted whatever I got. Non Local resolvers gave better results than local only by few milliseconds and the result IPs were in the same range. The better ping times were a mere coincidence. See only the non-datacenter locations (Singapore, Sweden, India and Thailand) to notice the difference. Those are purely home connections.</p>
<p>@Nick : Cool, in fact after I posted I noticed few others noticed similar thing some as far back in 2008. - <a href="http://blog.goolamabbas.org/2008/02/24/impact-of-opendns-on-cdn-services-particularly-when-used-in-asia/" rel="nofollow">http://blog.goolamabbas.org/2008/02/24/impact-of-opendns-on-cdn-services-particularly-when-used-in-asia/</a></p>
<p>@Marco van den Berg : All clients need to be in the same network as the central in-house DNS resolver to get the optimal results&#8230;</p>
<p>@Richard : Thanks, you could post the results somewhere and Ill link to it from my tables, or if you don&#8217;t want to do that, I can post it on my blog too. Your results would be highly appreciated. you can contact me at sajal at thaindian dot com</p>
<p>@Angsuman Chakraborty: Agreed!</p>
<p>@Chris: The bandwidth is a problem in Asia (esp Thailand) with intercontinental links running at its saturation point. I understand that you block advertising (viewing free stuff while wasting the websites bandwidth and resources and not allowing them to monetize), but do you also block css, javascripts, flash, videos and images? These are also usually CDN&#8217;d. Without loading the stylesheet usually the page doesn&#8217;t start rendering.</p>
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		<title>Comment on In a CDN&#8217;d world, OpenDNS is the enemy! by Chris</title>
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		<dc:creator>Chris</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 30 May 2010 12:15:34 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>If you live in Thailand, this may be true. But if you live in the US I doubt that it will make much difference in most cases. There are also other benefits to using OpenDNS or GoogleDNS - I have used several ISPs and their DNS always goes down for a few minutes to hours a year, whereas a computer set to OpenDNS has never had problems (this may just be fortitude, but oh well.)

While the issue identified is valid and has implications for bandwidth, I don't think that bandwidth is the bottleneck. It is more likely to be your browser. You say "Most websites embed widgets, advertising and other assets which are likely to be CDN'd."  I block advertising, so it doesn't matter. I tend to ignore widgets. In any case, the substance of the page loads first so that I can begin reading even if the CDN-stuff hasn't loaded yet. I can even stop them loading if I don't want to see your widgets.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>If you live in Thailand, this may be true. But if you live in the US I doubt that it will make much difference in most cases. There are also other benefits to using OpenDNS or GoogleDNS - I have used several ISPs and their DNS always goes down for a few minutes to hours a year, whereas a computer set to OpenDNS has never had problems (this may just be fortitude, but oh well.)</p>
<p>While the issue identified is valid and has implications for bandwidth, I don&#8217;t think that bandwidth is the bottleneck. It is more likely to be your browser. You say &#8220;Most websites embed widgets, advertising and other assets which are likely to be CDN&#8217;d.&#8221;  I block advertising, so it doesn&#8217;t matter. I tend to ignore widgets. In any case, the substance of the page loads first so that I can begin reading even if the CDN-stuff hasn&#8217;t loaded yet. I can even stop them loading if I don&#8217;t want to see your widgets.</p>
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